Hard times always bring out the best and the worst in people and their governments, and, in this sense, Covid-19 seems to be a pretty accurate reality check on individuals, on nations and on the world as a whole, rewarding those who practice and punishing those who only preach. But is it potent and scary enough to put politics back into the service of policy and not the other way around? To discuss this, Oksana is joined by Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, former president of Brazil.
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